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PostSubject: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:14 am

The object of this page is to bring together a definitive document to cover the utter sadness of the Internet troll. Usually, a troll is nothing more than a passing nuisance, but, as this page will show, they can be a worry (stalkers). However, it is almost invariably an inadequate individual who can be safely ignored.

This page will define the activity, and help with early recognition; once acknowledged, trolls can take up residence, and, like athlete's foot, can be difficult to shift. And when you've finished here, I recommend this fairly comprehensive guide to managing sad thirteen year olds loose on Mom's computer.

What Is A Troll?
The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.

Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.

Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.

Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.

For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?

Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).

Troll - Angler or Underbridge Dweller?


How can troll posts be recognised?
No Imagination - Most are frighteningly obvious; sexist comments on nurses' groups, blasphemy on religious groups .. I kid you not.
Pedantic in the Extreme - Many trolls' preparation is so thorough, that while they waste time, they appear so ludicrous from the start that they elicit sympathetic mail - the danger is that once the group takes sides, the damage is done.
False Identity - Because they are cowards, trolls virtually never write over their own name, and often reveal their trolliness (and lack of imagination) in the chosen ID. As so many folk these days use false ID, this is not a strong indicator on its own!
Crossposting - Any post that is crossposted to several groups should be viewed as suspicious, particularly if unrelated or of opposing perspective. Why would someone do that?
Off-topic posting - Often genuine errors, but, if from an 'outsider' they deserve matter-of-fact response; if genuine, a brief apposite response is simply netiquette; if it's a troll post, you have denied it its reward.
Repetition of a question or statement is either a troll - or a pedant; either way, treatment as a troll is effective.
Missing The Point - Trolls rarely answer a direct question - they cannot, if asked to justify their twaddle - so they develop a fine line in missing the point.
Thick or Sad - Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone. This is so frequent, that it is diagnostic! Somewhere on the web there must be an Intelligence Test for Trolls - rigged to always say "above 150"
Where are you likely to find trolls?
Wherever they are tolerated - this means forums and networking sites that have loose or lazy moderation, and places like Usenet (newsgroups) where there may be no moderation at all.

Where trolls are successful is a slightly different issue - some forums allow members to set an 'ignore' function, so they just do not see troll posts, after the first one, and some specialist forums are tightly focussed so that troll posts stick out a mile and are ignored - it's larger, more general forums that have issues, as it only takes a couple of members to be drawn in for the whole forum to suffer. They also thrive on 'opinion' sites, such as politics and religion, where feelings often run high anyway. But, again, only if moderation is weak.

Usenet has a special problem, as moderation is impossible; for trolls to be controlled, requires committed members using their killfiles effectively, and avoiding accidental cross-posting - which is all too easy with many newsreading software setups.

Some career trolls have set up their forums to exchange notes. These rarely thrive, as most trolls are not team players, and they simply fight among themselves. in other cases, they become centers for cyberbullying (see stalking); while that's a sad development, it makes it easier to have the sites closed.

Who is at risk?
Any newsgroup, bulletin board, forum or chatroom can attract trolls, but they don't have the brains to attack nuclear physicists, and they are drawn to the quick response where sex, religion and race are found; so politics is easy prey.

One troll famously tried to infiltrate a mensa group; the results read like 100 trolls and one regular, it didn't have a chance - but it was stupid enough to persist until removed.


When Should You Be Concerned?
Usually, no, though fractured funny bones and occasional waves of nausea have been reported.

When a troll become persistent and personal, you may need to consider the possibility that it has fermented into an Internet Stalker - equally pathetic, if not more so - but sometimes requiring weedkiller. Find Out More


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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:24 am

Mostly I agree and here are the screenies from last night. And "NO" afaik we can't pull the plug. I don't know if the shoutbox access can be restricted to registered user. Only in the forum we can delete postings. But if Ina is polite imho even he can post here, because this forum shall not restrict free (polite) speech.







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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:03 am

i'm agreing with you completely

banning him will only give him a favor
it's better to hold mirrors in front of a troll
then flaming at his will

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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:14 pm

I'm not a big fan of trolling, spamming or flame war, there is no winner on the Internet, no one would ever admit wrongdoing, and peoples ego's tends to grow enormous here What a Face

And to use other people's forum/shoutbox for that cause, is just plain rude.


"Don't argue with stupid people. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"


The shoutbox access can be restricted to registered user, but then to all users (including guests and friends)
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:27 pm

Monochrome {KAN} wrote:
I'm not a big fan of trolling, spamming or flame war, there is no winner on the Internet,
this is what many people still have to learn i like your point here wish everyone is like that



Monochrome {KAN} wrote:
no one would ever admit wrongdoing, and peoples ego's tends to grow enormous here What a Face
you're right and pls forgive me if i say i wouldn't admid my wrongdoing cuz i will not give ina a chance to win next to that this isn't a game we're talking about

Monochrome {KAN} wrote:
And to use other people's forum/shoutbox for that cause, is just plain rude.
and stupid if someone does it he's just asking to get banned


Monochrome {KAN} wrote:
"Don't argue with stupid people. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
but i'm not stupid how do i get stupid if i'm not ? lol!


Monochrome {KAN} wrote:
The shoutbox access can be restricted to registered user, but then to all users (including guests and friends)
we might maybee we will
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:13 pm

@Mono
This morning I posted in the shoutbox "Never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who". Smile

And imho the shoutbox should stay open as long as possible. It should not be a problem to handle idiots there, we are strong enough - just don't reply. I am member in the largest IT forum in Germany and there are masses of trolls. They creep out from under their stone whenever there are news about Intel/AMD, Linux/OS X/Windows and Nvidia/AMD(ATI). Some of them are funny, very subtle. There are always user that feed the trolls, but sometimes it can be necessary, if they spread wrong informations.
If you think you _must_ answer a troll, there is a trick you can use with your boss too. Just imagine the person is standing all naked in front of you and laugh about his 2cm. Laughing Laughing Laughing
This should make you laughing or at least not taking the situation to serious and bring you in the position to answer with humor and only humor whenever you are personally attacked.

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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:17 pm

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@Mono
This morning I posted in the shoutbox "Never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who". Smile

And imho the shoutbox should stay open as long as possible. It should not be a problem to handle idiots there, we are strong enough - just don't reply. I am member in the largest IT forum in Germany and there are masses of trolls. They creep out from under their stone whenever there are news about Intel/AMD, Linux/OS X/Windows and Nvidia/AMD(ATI). Some of them are funny, very subtle. There are always user that feed the trolls, but sometimes it can be necessary, if they spread wrong informations.
If you think you _must_ answer a troll, there is a trick you can use with your boss too. Just imagine the person is standing all naked in front of you and laugh about his 2cm. Laughing Laughing Laughing
This should make you laughing or at least not taking the situation to serious and bring you in the position to answer with humor and only humor whenever you are personally attacked.
right and just if i answered as someone who doesn't take things serious or whatever with humor they will get angrier just as expected

in other words i have him where i want him lol!
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:41 pm

"Ina
But seeing friends as mono here, what could I expect else"


I'm pretty sure that was intended as an insult Shocked Very Happy

I think I must quote some prez here, to defend myself:
"I am not a crook"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
"Read my lips: no new taxes"


Embarassed lol! lol! lol! lol!


Other then that, my dutch is really improving, I can understand at least 70% of it, including the nasty stuff lol!
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:43 pm

@Darkie: Exactly! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil lol!

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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 2:56 pm

Regarding the 2 cm Shocked (not saying I'm a 2 cm person) What a Face I have heard, Its not the size that matters, its the way you swinnnnng it" lol!
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:04 pm

I've heard that too. Smile

But you wouldn't believe what women have told me. lol! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:28 pm

Monochrome {KAN} wrote:
"Ina
But seeing friends as mono here, what could I expect else"


I'm pretty sure that was intended as an insult Shocked Very Happy

I think I must quote some prez here, to defend myself:
"I am not a crook"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
"Read my lips: no new taxes"


Embarassed lol! lol! lol! lol!


Other then that, my dutch is really improving, I can understand at least 70% of it, including the nasty stuff lol!
are you freaking kidding me omg oh dear i hope you're not monica's husbant lol!
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:30 pm

Monochrome {KAN} wrote:
Regarding the 2 cm Shocked (not saying I'm a 2 cm person) What a Face I have heard, Its not the size that matters, its the way you swinnnnng it" lol!
no dummy it's how you use it haha lol!
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:45 pm

HAHAHA 2CM lol!

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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:19 am

speaking of trolling heres a vid.
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:39 am

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speaking of trolling heres a vid.
roflmaomgtg old but still going well
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:15 am

hehe thats true

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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:33 pm

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speaking of trolling heres a vid.

AAAAAAAAH ! --> Hey Leute, Yoo folks, I think I missed something? Did I missed something? I still think I missed something...
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:57 pm

love you too Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:06 pm

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy YEAHR Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

(SOO FUNNY :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:15 pm

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PostSubject: 2cm   Sat Oct 23, 2010 10:17 am

i may only be 2 cm,but my orgasms are as big as yours! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:01 pm

hi jono welcome here

very funny

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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:08 pm

can we move that to the very funny section ? :?: lol!
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PostSubject: Re: def against trolls you think you're on the bottom   Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:05 pm

moved to funny vids

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